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08:01:40 <dan-shearer[m]> #meetingname Brief Summary of LumoSQL
08:01:40 <lumosql-meetbot> dan-shearer[m]: Meeting name set to: Brief Summary of LumoSQL
08:01:43 <dan-shearer[m]> #here Dan
08:01:59 <moonshine[m]> #here Gabby
08:02:34 <dan-shearer[m]> #topic People and admin
08:03:13 <bjk621[m]> #here Björn
08:03:58 <dan-shearer[m]> #info VUB's work on PE-SQL is progressing, was stopped for a week or so and is expected to start again next week.
08:05:00 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Dan has approached 3 more potential coders. Please continue to send me candidates who might be interested, from undergraduate students to experts who are retired and now incredibly bored :-)
08:05:19 <dan-shearer[m]> We can offer being famous and having fun
08:06:12 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Oscar Mira and I are continuing to look at how LumoSQL can fit into molly.im
08:07:05 <dan-shearer[m]> #info A Linux distribution based on Red Hat is interested in my comments about replacing SQLite in RPM with LumoSQL checksums. Which are working in prototype in an older tree.
08:07:33 <dan-shearer[m]> That RPM pitch is my task today.
08:08:22 <dan-shearer[m]> #info And apparently moonshine is back, which I had mistakenly thought was next week :-)
08:08:30 <dan-shearer[m]> that's all from me
08:09:35 <dan-shearer[m]> If nobody has anything to add, I'll move to the next topic, which is called "Masterplan" and has a theme tune from Star Wars. It's Darth Vader's theme tune.
08:11:12 <dan-shearer[m]> ok well you are all very quiet. That makes me so nervous. Look, my knees are shaking.
08:11:25 <dan-shearer[m]> #topic Masterplan
08:12:10 <dan-shearer[m]> This will not surprise anyone here, but it is a good time to be a little more public. And these notes are public, if still not easy to find :-)
08:14:15 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Background: Lumions+LumoSQL has big implications for privacy. And separately, so does https://molly.im (fairly clean fork of Signal client) and Sweet Lies (modified fork of Signal Server.)
08:15:32 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Masterplan: arising from many discussions over recent months, we will aim to make all of the above work together, with one or two additional pieces too.
08:17:53 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Masterplan needs a proper name of course, but thanks to work by Oscar and others on Signal Server we believe we can integrate these things around Signal Server.
08:19:12 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Lumions (perhaps PE-SQL) for authentication tokens in Molly/Sweet Lies. LumoSQL with PE-SQL instead of SQLCipher in Molly Client and Whisperfish client.
08:20:16 <dan-shearer[m]> And given how many client platforms Signal supports, and how enormous the code churn in Signal is both client and server, that is ambitious.
08:20:42 <dan-shearer[m]> There are some other parts to this. But that is the start.
08:23:41 <dan-shearer[m]> Ok so that is all on this topic. This is various ad-hoc late night discussions :-)
08:24:23 <dan-shearer[m]> The Sweet Lies project is a few days away from publishing a tree that builds something a bit useful.
08:24:38 <dan-shearer[m]> That is "work days away", not "calendar days away" :-)
08:25:41 <bjk621[m]> Few as <10?
08:25:42 <dan-shearer[m]> <<10 according to Oscar and Dan yesterday afternoon
08:25:45 <bjk621[m]> Wow
08:25:48 <dan-shearer[m]> Which is "much less than 10", not "bitshift left 10"
08:25:52 <Labhraich> Morning
08:26:05 <Labhraich> I'll be enjoying the countryside when I've had enough coffee to find the door
08:26:12 <dan-shearer[m]> waves at Labhraich
08:27:59 <dan-shearer[m]> Labhraich I saw footage of a helicopter view of a fire tornado in a central French forest yesterday. I thought I left all of that stuff behind in Australia. I hope it has cooled down for you.
08:28:53 <Labhraich> Yes, about 15 deg C today
08:29:02 <Labhraich> Compared to 28 yesterday
08:29:17 <Labhraich> Which is why I slept in - finally I can actually sleep...
08:30:39 <dan-shearer[m]> Ok well that's great
08:32:43 <dan-shearer[m]> And now it seems we have no more contributions... as promised, this meeting is a quick summary.
08:33:15 <dan-shearer[m]> There is a lot happening in individual task lists that will make it to #lumosql in coming weeks.
08:33:49 <dan-shearer[m]> Which brings us to the final topic of "Any other business and outstanding tasks"
08:34:09 <dan-shearer[m]> #topic AOB and tasks
08:35:17 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Dan admitted defeat a while ago with the app "Kanboard". That is officially dead open source. Oscar has proposed something easier and different, and Dan is trying it out. LumoSQL is big enough, but Masterplan is even bigger. We  need project manamgent.
08:35:56 <bjk621[m]> Ie lightweight
08:37:19 <bjk621[m]> that supports the "forest" view, it will not help to only see plenty of trees
08:38:14 <dan-shearer[m]> #action Dan to show Björn the project management proposal.
08:40:22 <dan-shearer[m]> #info it needs to be possible for LumoSQL/etc contributors to work without access to the task management tool. If someone is implementing a key-value store that uses coconuts, that person will be working in code and with tickets and a human interface to project management will be fine
08:42:08 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Still thinking about a sprint in Gothenburg in November
08:42:23 <dan-shearer[m]> #info Dan has many documentation tasks outstanding
08:42:47 <Labhraich> The forest view, which appears to have a large intersection with the Masterplan from what I read here, might need a bit more prominence right now.  We have lots of trees
08:42:57 <bjk621[m]> I can almost promise rain & wind
08:43:55 <dan-shearer[m]> We can all gather on your boat. A boat is designed for wind and wet.
08:44:32 <bjk621[m]> hm, maybe not
08:44:34 <dan-shearer[m]> Labhraich: you are right, and that of course is the bit I am worried about most. Because we are progressing from handwaving to code.
08:46:53 <dan-shearer[m]> And that, dear team, is the end of this meeting
08:47:19 <dan-shearer[m]> I will end the meeting in 60 seconds if nobody starts another topic or comment :-)
08:47:46 <Labhraich> Do I need to say "here" too, since I apparently am here?
08:47:53 <Labhraich> Before you end the meeting?
08:48:08 <dan-shearer[m]> Labhraich: oh yes. That would be tidy housekeeping thanks.
08:48:14 <Labhraich> #here Claudio
08:48:20 <Labhraich> OK, I'm officially here now
08:50:47 <dan-shearer[m]> and we are therefore finished.
08:50:54 <dan-shearer[m]> #endmeeting