Bihebdomadaire Catchup Minutes

Meeting started by dan-shearer[m] at 2022-09-30 07:59:02+0000 (full logs).

Attendees

1. Labhraich (aka Claudio) - 15 lines (12%)
2. bjk621[m] (aka Björn) - 3 lines (2%)
3. dan-shearer[m] (aka Dan) - 53 lines (42%)
4. gabby_bch (aka Gabby) - 2 lines (2%)
5. lumosql-meetbot - 8 lines (6%)
6. rubdos[m] (aka Ruben) - 44 lines (35%)

Meeting Summary

1. Prologue (dan-shearer[m], 07:59:02)
   1. MEETING_NAME: Bihebdomadaire Catchup (dan-shearer[m], 08:00:19)
2. People and admin (dan-shearer[m], 08:12:01)
   1. LINK: https://lumosql.org/meetings/Brief_Summary_of_LumoSQL.20220916.0801.html are the last meeting notes. (dan-shearer[m], 08:12:33)
   2. INFO: Dan will be in Brussels 11-13 October, visiting VUB and other things (dan-shearer[m], 08:13:00)
   3. ACTION: Björn to add valldrac to email list for these meetings (dan-shearer[m], 08:16:23)
   4. ACTION: Björn to remove Tom from email list because that is what Ruben said Tom asked for (dan-shearer[m], 08:16:43)
   5. INFO: valldrac and Dan continue to work on aspects of Signal Server (and valldrac on the Molly Signal client), which overlaps with LumoSQL as previously discussed. A first push of code with documentation and analysis is due soon. (dan-shearer[m], 08:18:26)
   6. INFO: Martina is finishing her thesis due next week (rubdos[m], 08:19:53)
   7. INFO: Dan has got a quote for a group booking for 5 days around FOSDEM, and has passed that to Björn. There may be a way to make that happen. (dan-shearer[m], 08:29:00)
   8. INFO: FOSDEM on 4 and 5 February 2023 for your calendar (Labhraich, 08:30:17)
3. PE-SQL (dan-shearer[m], 08:39:05)
   1. LINK: https://gitlab.com/etrovub/smartnets/sql-pe (rubdos[m], 08:39:50)
   2. INFO: SQL-PE currently implements creating roles and signing roles, and signing grant statements. (rubdos[m], 08:40:42)
   3. INFO: SQL-PE now also has a C interface, `libsqlpe.so`, with a few methods already exposed: https://etrovub.gitlab.io/smartnets/sql-pe/doc/sqlpe/ (rubdos[m], 08:41:22)
   4. LINK: https://etrovub.gitlab.io/smartnets/sql-pe/doc/sqlpe/ contains the C API documentation (rubdos[m], 08:41:34)
   5. INFO: Additionally, I've made a Python wrapper around the C interface, in order to easily test whether the C bindings actually work. (rubdos[m], 08:42:23)
   6. INFO: Ruben's SQL-PE project is to show how Predicate Encryption can work for SQL, whether SQLite or Postgres or some other database. The current sqlpe design is a prototype that can be called in many circumstances, and is minimalist, suitable for supporting an academic paper. Production sqlpe implementing the same proven concepts would look considerably different. (dan-shearer[m], 08:57:14)
4. LumoSQL Project Summary (dan-shearer[m], 09:02:43)
   1. INFO: It can feel like LumoSQL is in a bit of a pause, but that is not correct. We are in fact heading towards a release, just not quite how we had expected (dan-shearer[m], 09:04:04)
   2. INFO: With Ruben and soon Martina working on sqlpe that is definitely happening, and that is the one single core thing that LumoSQL does which is a new application of computer science. So that's not paused. (dan-shearer[m], 09:06:16)
   3. INFO: With Claudio's architecture for hidden columns and tables all ready to be tested with sqlpe once it gets a little further as discussed above, and since it is already tested in the previous use cases of this code, this is the great Joining Up Of Ideas. Claudio really advanced the art of SQLite with what he has done there. (dan-shearer[m], 09:09:32)
   4. INFO: The concept of Masterplan (I have a better name for this, which I will ask you all about in the chat later) is progressing. We do need more developers, but the way LumoSQL/sqlpe/Lumions/Molly/SignalServer/etc fits together means that sometimes progress has to happen in other components. This is not on pause, the Masterplan concept didn't exist two months ago. (dan-shearer[m], 09:12:18)
   5. INFO: As said above, we need more developers. We can't release amazing new tools to support human rights to billions of people without a lot more effort than we currently have. That is why I am running around talking to people who employ developers, explaining that we have something new and they should give some of their developers to us. So that is not on pause, in fact, it is fast-forwarding rapidly. (dan-shearer[m], 09:14:03)
   6. INFO: One of the better University cryptography departments around is highly aware of LumoSQL. The good people at VUB are well-networked, and while these things progress slowly, as the pile of evidence grows there is a reasonable chance that LumoSQL will become useful to curious people. And VUB is very good at being curious. (I should perhaps be saying ETROS not VUB, but I'm not confident of all the fine details of organisation. (dan-shearer[m], 09:18:58)
5. Any other business and extra action items (dan-shearer[m], 09:20:02)

Meeting ended at 2022-09-30 09:22:30+0000 (full logs).

Action Items

1. Björn to add valldrac to email list for these meetings (link)
2. Björn to remove Tom from email list because that is what Ruben said Tom asked for (link)

Action Items by Attendee

• bjk621[m]
  1. Björn to add valldrac to email list for these meetings (link)
  2. Björn to remove Tom from email list because that is what Ruben said Tom asked for (link)
• rubdos[m]
  1. Björn to remove Tom from email list because that is what Ruben said Tom asked for (link)

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